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LAUSD (Los Angeles) payroll system price tag balloons - $ 210 Million!!
Los Angeles Daily News ^ | 12/15/2007 | Nash Boghossian 

Posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:28:10 PM PST by Loud Mime

Ten months after installing a new computerized payroll process that has been roiled by glitches, Los Angeles Unified officials now say costs for fixing the system and completing its rollout could top $210 million. 

The system, with an original price tag of $95 million, has underpaid or overpaid thousands of employees, and last week district officials said hiring consultants to fix it has already ballooned the cost to $132.5 million. 

And some officials are questioning the district's transparency on all the costs associated with the system, noting that at least $6 million will be forfeited by allowing some overpaid teachers to keep the money.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailynews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current EventsUS: California
KEYWORDS: lausdlosangelespayrollschools
The teachers will keep their overpayments while the system wallows in inefficiency.

This news will be growing....there's corruption in them thar halls 

1 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:28:11 PM PST by Loud Mime

To: Loud Mime

They just won't get paid for several months...and those who didn't get paid may never see their wages.


2 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:30:59 PM PST by bannie

To: Loud Mime

UA/LSD ???


3 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:33:33 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)

To: Loud Mime

LMAO!!!


4 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:34:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard

To: Loud Mime

Standard operating procedure at LA Mummified!
EVERYTHING SCREWED UP!


5 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:35:18 PM PST by VOA

To: Loud Mime
noting that at least $6 million will be forfeited by allowing some overpaid teachers to keep the money.

Hey, it's Los Angeles. It's California. Nobody cares. 

6 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:36:08 PM PST by Lancey Howard

To: Lancey Howard

You have a noteworthy personal page on FR. Good Stuff!


7 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:36:34 PM PST by Loud Mime (Hell on Earth: Clinton here, Putin there)

To: Loud Mime

Ya ever go to any big city hall? There are thousands of employees that spend all day long just wandering around as if lost. It's really amazing.


8 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:37:09 PM PST by dragnet2

To: Loud Mime

Why, thank you!


9 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:37:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard

To: Loud Mime

Must be nice to write a government contract. Somehow I don't think I'd get away with selling something to my private-sector customers and then telling them they had to pay 150% of the purchase price to a third party to get the product to do what I said it would do. Seriously, how is the original vendor not on the hook to make the system work as promised?


10 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:38:14 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)

To: Turbopilot

Absolutely standard operating procedure for Caleefornia, and my answer is as series as your question!


11 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:41:24 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (We've checked, and all your zeroes are OK. We're still working on your ones.)

To: dragnet2

A friend of mine works for the County Surveyors, he says that there's several people on the staff who may put in three hours of work a day.

...and they're earning retirement too...


12 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:42:55 PM PST by Loud Mime (Hell on Earth: Clinton here, Putin there)

To: Loud Mime

Let's see 40 hours x $15/hour = $600 Pay me!


13 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:47:55 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)

To: Loud Mime
payroll system price tag balloons - $ 210 Million!!

Their security is pretty impressive. At LAUSD they even call it "headquarters". They got several dozen cops at the entrance as if they're waiting to be stormed or invaded, with x-ray machines, scanners, bomb detectors, cameras, vicious dogs at the ready...LA City hall is even better...Looks like the entrance to Guantanamo, only more secure. 

14 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:48:39 PM PST by dragnet2

To: Loud Mime

Government schools in action!! Waste your money and demand for more "for the children!"

How long will the parents keep trusting these idiocrats?


15 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:48:44 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)

To: Loud Mime
The system, with an original price tag of $95 million, has underpaid or overpaid thousands of employees......

You can bet the system properly deducted NEA union dues. 

16 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:49:01 PM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)

To: Turbopilot

"Seriously, how is the original vendor not on the hook to make the system work as promised?"

Usually on large implementations like this its a combination of over promising and the customer being inept. Its very difficult to deploy these and a lot depends on the customer.

Most likely the product will do what they said it would. Its just not mapped to the processes properly.


17 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:55:46 PM PST by driftdiver

To: umgud

If the NEA had a stake in missing payroll deductions we'd see action...and lawsuits.


18 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:56:39 PM PST by Loud Mime (Hell on Earth: Clinton here, Putin there)

To: Loud Mime

Wonder how many books you could buy for $210 million.


19 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:57:15 PM PST by driftdiver

To: Loud Mime

27 years I have been involved in software. Before most of the world even knew what software was.

This is inexcusable.


20 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:57:27 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)

To: driftdiver; Turbopilot

On KFI radio this afternoon they talked about all the warnings they got about this accounting system, over 200!


21 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:57:43 PM PST by Loud Mime (Hell on Earth: Clinton here, Putin there)

To: Loud Mime
A friend of mine works for the County Surveyors, he says that there's several people on the staff who may put in three hours of work a day.

Sounds like some of the folks I work with....except that they if they put in 3 hours a day, it would be an improvement...LOL. 

22 posted on December 17, 2007 at 6:59:24 PM PST by Libertarian444

To: Loud Mime

What software did they roll out? System rollouts like this are extremely risky and usually very expensive.

No matter which software they went with there would be tons of horror stories.


23 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:01:44 PM PST by driftdiver

To: Loud Mime

Where did they get the payroll system from? Mexico?


24 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:03:21 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")

To: Loud Mime

I can just envision fist fights breaking out among the teachers when they compare paychecks and find out who got too much and who got ripped off


25 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:05:40 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")

To: Loud Mime

Freepers help me remember. Wasn't there some involvement in this consulting company by Al Gore. The genius who invented the internet. Or was it someone else from the Clinton administration. I can't remember all the details but I remember the stories about cost overruns and a lack of on time delivery.


26 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:19:49 PM PST by cquiggy

To: Loud Mime

Don't necessarily be blaming the School District for this one.

"Toilet and Douche" (Deloitte & Touche) are the contractors responsible for the roll out. It is they that are not performing and demanding more money to fix the problems.


27 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:23:59 PM PST by Wil H

To: driftdiver
They say this is S A P software; Deloitte was not low bidder but got the contract anyway. 

radio link is here. LAUSD Payroll 3PM Hr (12/17) 

28 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:25:31 PM PST by Loud Mime (Hell on Earth: Clinton here, Putin there)

To: driftdiver

Does that mean that basically the stuff that the district is gonna have to pay $100M+ to do are things that the vendor would have expected any customer to do and that the customer would have expected to happen ''by magic''? In that case I would fully blame the school district, as long as the vendor did deliver what was promised. I have to deal with customers sometimes who expect things that are neither part of the contract nor would be logical things for me to deliver, but yet are for some reason expected, usually because the customer thinks that their contract for a specified product and service also includes an unlimited right to my time and resources until the customer has what he pretended the contract said.


29 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:25:52 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)

To: Turbopilot

Pardon my chiming in, just a guess. A diversely owned business?


30 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:45:33 PM PST by printhead

To: Loud Mime
>>
Ten months after installing a new computerized payroll process that has been roiled by glitches, Los Angeles Unified officials now say costs for fixing the system and completing its rollout could top $210 million.
<<

Question: What does this have in common with the news, about 15 years ago that the newly developed California State DMV computer system would be scrapped for a total waste of over $100 million of taxpayer money?

Answer: Nobody gets fired. It doesn't really matter. The same team who failed with this gross failure and waste will be reconstituted into a new team who will be assigned to start yet another system from scratch. 

31 posted on December 17, 2007 at 7:49:11 PM PST by theBuckwheat

To: Turbopilot

"Does that mean that basically the stuff that the district is gonna have to pay $100M+ to do are things that the vendor would have expected any customer to do and that the customer would have expected to happen ''by magic''?"

Frequently its because these systems require changes to processes that the customer can't or won't agree to. Changes across department lines so dept heads are involved and their fiefdoms are threatened.

"I have to deal with customers sometimes who expect things that are neither part of the contract nor would be logical things for me to deliver,"

Same here, well worded contracts are my friend. Of course Deloitt coulda screwed up too. SAP deployments are no fun.


32 posted on December 18, 2007 at 3:54:58 AM PST by driftdiver

To: theBuckwheat
Nobody gets fired. It doesn't really matter. 

Government employees don't get fired. They only get tax payer paid, pay raises, and more and improved medical benefits, while their generous government retirement pensions continue to bloat. 

33 posted on December 18, 2007 at 9:40:13 AM PST by dragnet2

To: dragnet2

...and of course they get a better job title.


34 posted on December 18, 2007 at 3:31:56 PM PST by theBuckwheat

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